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When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« on: January 31, 2019, 07:47:35 AM »


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Like many of us long time torrent users, thereís always been a long history bitching about people who hit & run. These are people who either are really stupid when it comes to torrents; or people who just donít care and abuse the trackers theyíre using. These people never seem to grasp the concept that, if no seeders exist, you canít get the file. Thatís why torrents is a true sharing technology. Not just in files, but bandwidth! Yeah, itís always been a huge problem. However, it hadnít occurred to me until recently that we have an even bigger problem added on to that!

That problem isÖÖ.. Mobile technology!! Tada!!!!!! Yeah, we donít think about it much, but this is another game changer for torrent users. You see, I discovered that along with people shopping more and more using their mobile phones and tablets; theyíre also using their mobile devices to download torrents. This may sound cool to the average leecher, but in actuality itís an indirect problem in the torrent world. Why? People who download using their mobile phones are not going to help seed their torrents. Same is true for tablets.

Another point that most people may not realize. People are accessing torrents via Kodi systems now. This is also a problem, because they are NOT designed to seed. In fact, there are plugins that allow Kodi users to stream movies via torrent! This now puts the seeder in a ďmoralĒ obligation to continue seeding, knowing likely there will be little to no help. If we do seed, for how long? I donít think Kodi is that popular enough (yet) to effect the change I think it would. But I really do think the people that are developing these technologies need to consider the long term impact. Because of technologies like this, people now have even less appreciation for how torrents work, and the reasons as to how their able to see their movies.

Lastly, I still and always stand firm on the idea that, if you donít have the necessary bandwidth, you shouldnít be using torrents. And most of all, you have no business getting angry at someone yelling at you, cause youíre to selfish to seed.

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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 05:22:25 AM »

You have a point with mobile and tablets (though I really have a hard time understanding the point of using a torrent client on your phone;))
Kodi, I didn't know there were leech plugins only. That's a bummer :(

As for me I have a seeding policy that make sense for me :
- default seed ratio is set to 1.8 on my client, which is about what my home bandwidth lets me reasonably afford (that's usually TV Shows and an the occasional movie from YTS)
- anything below 5 seeds I keep seeding as long as I can (that's usually when disk usage is too high)
- e-books are moved to my NAS and are seeded forever (or until i lose them in a disk xcrash, hence the NAS now :))
- things I ripped myself and/or gotten from Karagarga are moved to my NAS and are seeded forever.

I don't cry about people hitting and running though. It's always been that way as far as I can remember (and that's far..). It's annoying, that's true, but there is no known cure for selfishness and indifference. The best you can hope for is educate a few that'll carry  on the torch  ;)
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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 05:42:59 AM »

You have a point with mobile and tablets (though I really have a hard time understanding the point of using a torrent client on your phone;))
Kodi, I didn't know there were leech plugins only. That's a bummer :(

As for me I have a seeding policy that make sense for me :
- default seed ratio is set to 1.8 on my client, which is about what my home bandwidth lets me reasonably afford (that's usually TV Shows and an the occasional movie from YTS)
- anything below 5 seeds I keep seeding as long as I can (that's usually when disk usage is too high)
- e-books are moved to my NAS and are seeded forever (or until i lose them in a disk xcrash, hence the NAS now :))
- things I ripped myself and/or gotten from Karagarga are moved to my NAS and are seeded forever.

I don't cry about people hitting and running though. It's always been that way as far as I can remember (and that's far..). It's annoying, that's true, but there is no known cure for selfishness and indifference. The best you can hope for is educate a few that'll carry  on the torch  ;)

I think this is one of those unforeseen gradual progressions. It makes sense with mobile devices because with multi-platform applications such as VLC, you can play virtually any popular format. Second, mobile storage is getting larger too. So, if you're home on your WiFi, it may save a little more time of having to do the extra work of copying video to your phone.

I haven't had the desire to buy Kodi, but Kodi in my opinion is nothing more than a pirate version of Roku & Apple TV. Plus, at least with the legal boxes, you're guaranteed consistent high quality. I have an HDMI connection on my laptop, so that takes care of all my needs pretty much. But, the issue with Kodi streaming torrents needs to be addressed in my opinion. Because even if someone doesn't particularly care if someone hits & runs or not, it creates a situation where a user's time is limited. I've experienced it myself, where I'd take a change and download a huge file with only one seed, and the bastard would stop seeding @ 80-85%. I accept the fact that no one is obligated, but it's a pretty asshole(ish) thing to do. I just think that if Kodi becomes a more popular way of getting movies, then I also think that it would indirectly limit our selection, quality, and accessibility. The only solution to this I think, is to build Kodi machines with more storage, and create a torrent plugin for seeding.

Also, we have to remember that torrent use is international. We have people downloading from each other in every part of the world; and unless you're from an advanced country, chances are, you're not going to have the bandwidth to seed, you're not going to have the bandwidth to share higher resolutions, and they are less likely to have any money to afford a link service (rapidshare, megaload, etc.) or even a seed box for that matter. I don't know I'm making too much of a big deal or not. But, I do see a clear change in the behavior of the torrent culture since I've started just about 2 decades ago.
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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 03:23:53 PM »

I haven't had the desire to buy Kodi, but Kodi in my opinion is nothing more than a pirate version of Roku & Apple TV.

Kodi is not a device, Kodi is a multi-platform player, just like VLC.

Kodi started out as XBMC (short for XBox Media Center), and there have been made several forks (it's under GNU GPL), where some are commercial.

You and a lot of others, think of the "Fully loaded Kodi boxes" that are sold, when saying "Kodi", but they are filled with 3rd party addons, that have nothing to do with the Kodi project and the addons have no support from Kodi, and is banned from the official Kodi forum.

You can find a lot more technical info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodi_(software)

I mainly use Plex at my smart tvs and Nvidia Shield, but for some things Kodi is preferable, so I have both installed.
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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 08:10:54 AM »

Kodi is not a device, Kodi is a multi-platform player, just like VLC.

Kodi started out as XBMC (short for XBox Media Center), and there have been made several forks (it's under GNU GPL), where some are commercial.

You and a lot of others, think of the "Fully loaded Kodi boxes" that are sold, when saying "Kodi", but they are filled with 3rd party addons, that have nothing to do with the Kodi project and the addons have no support from Kodi, and is banned from the official Kodi forum.

You can find a lot more technical info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodi_(software)

I mainly use Plex at my smart tvs and Nvidia Shield, but for some things Kodi is preferable, so I have both installed.

This may depend on the manufacture. I have seen YouTube videos of Kodi being fully supported by these boxes. But, again, I'm really not a Kodi fan, so I'm not an expert. However, I have used Plex, and I like it a lot. However, even with Plex it is limited. Limited in terms of watching actual 3D movies, and limited in terms of viewing really large movies through my network. These days it doesn't matter to me anymore, as most computer devices come with HDMI, so that pretty much took care of all my problems.

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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2019, 12:06:32 AM »

(I'm somewhat new to torrenting) So what exactly is proper seeding etiquette? Are you supposed to keep seeding literally forever? Because i would imagine that's a VERY fast way to get caught by your isp, especially if you have a large library of torrents.

Edit: I just found one of your other posts with a link explaining seeding, and now i understand a bit more about it, but still, i would think seeding any amount is a good way to get caught. and i don't necessarily want to keep my vpn running 24/7 if i have a torrent with no seeders.

This is the link i was talking about: https://www.bittorrentvpn.com/seeding-torrents/
« Last Edit: March 06, 2019, 12:45:11 AM by sufferingrex »
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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2019, 11:12:09 AM »

(I'm somewhat new to torrenting) So what exactly is proper seeding etiquette? Are you supposed to keep seeding literally forever? Because i would imagine that's a VERY fast way to get caught by your isp, especially if you have a large library of torrents.

Edit: I just found one of your other posts with a link explaining seeding, and now i understand a bit more about it, but still, i would think seeding any amount is a good way to get caught. and i don't necessarily want to keep my vpn running 24/7 if i have a torrent with no seeders.

This is the link i was talking about: https://www.bittorrentvpn.com/seeding-torrents/

Hi Sufferingrex,

I don't think there is any kind of written doctrine (that I'm aware of). However, I should point out that there are many sides to this issue. It's hard discussing this problem without sounding so cut and dry. First, let me start off by dispelling a misconception that the longer you seed, the more likely you're to get caught. That is an absolute lie!! Understand that everything is automated; therefore from the moment you start downloading a movie as a leecher, your activity is logged. It doesn't matter how long your seeding. I don't know who the fuck came out with that, but it's an outdated fallacy, totally incorrect. It also doesn't matter if you're on a private tracker or not either. But I have noticed that porn companies tend to frequent private trackers. I guess because they're are fewer porn trackers relative to overall public trackers.

Now in regards to helping the community via seeding, this is where it get's really complicated in my opinion, especially in regards to private trackers. Why? Because there is sort of that moral obligation attached to it right? Being obligated to save everything you download? Well, suppose you absolutely hated the movie? Why would anyone keep a movie on their drive they hate? I don't know of any private trackers that try and force a member to keep a movie indefinitely. But again, if there are no seeders, you can't download it; and or the more seeders, the faster the download. that's how the technology works. But people want to continuously use it as if torrents were megaload/rapidshare/locker links.

There are things you just can't avoid. Bottom line, you need a VPN and or a seedbox (bear minimum) if anyone wants to fuck with torrents. No ifs or buts. And if anybody thinks that all they have to do is not download for more than 15min; is like saying, "if you pull out of your girl friend's vagina before you ^^ she won't get pregnant.

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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2019, 02:07:17 AM »

ok, thanks! i understand a bunch more about it now. (and i have since started seeding)
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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2019, 04:38:42 AM »

ok, thanks! i understand a bunch more about it now. (and i have since started seeding)


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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2019, 08:04:40 AM »

...yup love seeding...even on dial up making that phone call to the isp. Fast or slow its good hehehe!
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Re: When Pirates Cry About People Not Seeding
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 04:23:42 PM »

...yup love seeding...even on dial up making that phone call to the isp. Fast or slow its good hehehe!

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